Disneyville: A Disney World Podcast

Disney Parks Lore + History You Might Not Know

• Tyler and Jessica Braun • Season 4 • Episode 48

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We share our favorite Disney Parks lore: the Hatbox Ghost’s vanishing act and return (much like his own head), the rise and fall of the Disney Institute, the sponsor tug-of-war behind Carousel of Progress, Beacon Joe’s many faces, and the intimate story of Walt’s firehouse apartment. We also touch on Walt's family ties to Florida preceding Walt Disney World. Listeners add wild and wonderful legends, from George in Pirates and Spaceship Earth drainage to Small World haircuts.

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SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to the Disneyville Podcast, episode 48.

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Where we talk about the Disney parks, Disney Cruise, and everything in between. I'm your host, Jessica Braun.

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And I'm your host, Tyler Braun.

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I don't think we've introduced ourselves in the past like 10 episodes, but that's who we are. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

If you're new here, we love to talk about Disney, obviously. This is gonna be kind of so I had to ask Jessica, what, four different times? I was like, can you please explain this again? What we're doing.

SPEAKER_03:

Listen to me. I had a vision with no explanation. And I'm gonna be honest, I'm not even certain that my definition is great. But I think I'm gonna Google something. Okay, well, first of all, what is today's topic, Tyler Braun?

SPEAKER_00:

I feel like I should not be the one explaining.

SPEAKER_03:

What's the title? Let's go there.

SPEAKER_00:

It's our favorite Disney lore. And so I kept bringing up, I was like, so is it like history? She's like, kind of. I was like, does it have to be like real? And she's like, yes. And I was like, is it like fun facts? And she's like, yes.

SPEAKER_03:

But like more than just like a fact. Like there's like a little story behind it.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. So explain Okay. Well, first of all, explain like I'm four years old.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. Tell me your mommy and daddy had a lemonade stand. Okay. Um, lore refers to a body of cultural or traditional knowledge, a backstory for a person or a fictional world or a piece of personal history. So, first of all, the term is popularized by the true crime podcast and TV series of the same name, which explored explores the real life origins of myths and legends. Okay. So the way it's a myth and legend.

SPEAKER_00:

Like that's what I was thinking. I'm like, it's a like a myth. So that's sorry, that's just what I had in my head.

SPEAKER_03:

Like, well, I think that yes, but it's I think the connotation is yes. We are taking it however I please. And so today we It's my podcast. It's any kind of I'm I'm holding on to the backstory piece of that definition. Okay. So kind of like history, backstory could be a mysterious, is it true, is it not, kind of stuff, which we'll get into some of that. That was my definition. So we did ask you guys as well, and we're gonna share in the back end of the podcast episode today. Yeah, your favorite lore, pieces of history, stories you've heard about, let's say, the creation of the parks or the abandoned river country.

SPEAKER_00:

That's always my greatest example. That was, I think, part of my thing here. I'm like, there are so many threads to pull.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

That's why this was so hard. I'm like, where do I even begin? I'm like, do I talk about like Disney, like Disney family history? Do I talk about like like the man, the man, the myth, the legend? Do I talk about like that's the beauty?

SPEAKER_03:

You can do whatever you want. We could do a million parts to this.

SPEAKER_00:

I kind of pulled I pulled a little bit from resorts, a little bit from parks, a little bit from Walt Disney. So I was like, I kind of pulled.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh no, we're we already compared our notes. We're not.

SPEAKER_00:

You told me the first two you were doing, but I'm sure I'm sure we've so the other thing, speaking of bringing your guys', your guys' lore in as well. We also wanted to mention we had a little bit of feedback. We don't use our Facebook very often, or we have not up until now. So we are going to make an effort to use our Facebook because we're really, really big on Instagram.

SPEAKER_03:

That's where we use let's rephrase, we're not big like popular.

SPEAKER_00:

We use our Instagram using our Instagram. Way more than anything else. Like that's our go-to 10 million. No, but that's our go-to social media platform where we always ask everybody, you know, for your feedback and stuff like that. And there's a lot of people that don't use Instagram, you know, they're Facebook people, or you know, that's just trying to sometimes too. It's kind of hard to do like with Instagram longer feedback.

SPEAKER_03:

So, like, this is a perfect instance where we're asking for a whole story from you guys and you can't really put it in a teeny tiny.

SPEAKER_00:

So we posted it on Facebook as well. So, my whole point is please, if you would, go follow us on Facebook as well. So we'll be really good from here on out about also posting everything to Facebook and making sure we're really active on Facebook as well. So it's Disneyville Podcast on Facebook. We'll link it on the YouTube as well.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Sounded like an ad for Facebook, and I can't explain it. It was incredible to watch. I kept thinking there's no way he says it again, and then you did two more times. I'm like, oh my gosh, we got a counter on there, uh, editors. How many times did he just say Facebook?

SPEAKER_00:

How many times did you just say Facebook while you were making fun of me for my Facebook? Our total tally is probably in the 20s. Anyway.

SPEAKER_03:

Total tally 20. Okay, wow. What? Okay, where are we? I got lost. First of all, I'm representing some more Disneyville merch. I think last episode you wore your Disneyville hat. That I have to be honest, that is tied for my favorite piece of merch. The hat, it's like denim. It's everything we're offering is embroidered because that's just the way we roll. Okay. No screen printing, not that there's anything wrong with it. Not that we won't ever offer it in the future because certain designs you kind of just have to. But we wanted to launch our first things embroidered, really high quality. So I'm wearing our embroidered sweatshirt. This is my other favorite. Yeah. If we do t-shirts, we got all the things, but the sweatshirt, I'm into it. It's funny. We're hoping, we're hoping to design some holiday ones soon. So we'll see.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. So do you want to start with your first piece? I would love to start Disney lore.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. You guys, I am so excited. We're gonna start today's episode. I've got the goosies, the goosebumps. I'm so excited. We're gonna start with one of my favorite pieces of lore, and that is the story of the hat box ghost. Now, most of us, most of you guys listening or watching are probably like me, where I had heard of it. I generally knew what it was. It was a character in the haunted mansion, that, you know, kind of ghoulish-looking man, if you will, maybe undead, probably. I would say he's a and he was holding a hat box in his, like kind of near his abdomen. Or no, to the side. To the side, to the side. Anyway, and his head, his capital was detated.

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Thank you.

SPEAKER_03:

His head was detated. Uh, anyway, that was two of the office references in the first five minutes. That's pretty impressive. Anyway, so head disappears, it appears into the hat box, and it kind of goes back and forth. That's the trick. Well, I had kind of all I knew was that it was a big deal that like it came back to Disneyland and then like very recently. I didn't realize how recent. It was November of 2023 that it came to Disney World in the haunted mansion.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and we were there, but we we were there when it happened, but we were like in Epcot and it was our final day. So we didn't get a chance to go back over to Magic Kingdom.

SPEAKER_03:

We've seen it, of course, since then.

SPEAKER_00:

Since then, but I was so I was so sad like we were there and we didn't get to see it like on opening day.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. So I want to share with you guys some of the history and why this is actually pretty cool lore beyond just what I just told you and all that I knew. So, first of all, it debuted in the Haunted Mansion Disneyland in 1969, and it was a part of the ride. However, the effect only worked if the lighting was just right. And if the lighting wasn't right, it you could just see both the head on his head, on his body, and the head. And so the effect just looked, I mean, quite frankly, kind of dumb. Like it was like, oh, okay, yeah, it's like a little kitty.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So it was only in the haunted mansion for literally some people say days, some people say a couple weeks maximum. So what happened was it never came back, it quietly disappeared. And so over the years and decades that followed, after 1969, people started to question their own sanity and they're like, wait, did that ever exist? Like, I swear I saw it, I was there, you know, and it just became this really weird like myth. Like, was that ever actually built and in the ride or not? And of course, nowadays, anything that's ever existed in Disney right now has been filmed a million times. Oh, yeah. But back in 1969, that just wasn't the case. So I want to pop a picture of what the old one looked like, first of all. So creepy. It is so much creepier than the one they have now. Okay. I think what was so interesting about to me about this is that it was kind of like is what's it called? The Mandela effect.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Where you question like was it real or not all like collectively? Yeah, was it real or not? But in this case, it actually was.

SPEAKER_00:

Shazam.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, that's what I think of every time.

SPEAKER_00:

That movie existed. Everyone we're not gonna talk about it now. It's beyond the scope of this. We'll talk about it later. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03:

So it kind of became this huge piece of lore, especially in the early 1990s, early 2000s, as more and more people were becoming crazy like us and like obsessed with Disney and Disney history. And so the other thing people question was is it just was it only concept art? Did it ever actually make it, you know, whatever? Well, as we know, in May 2015 is when Disney brought it back to Disneyland. However, it was absolutely not the original one. Again, I want to show you the original one on the screen. That is not what you see in Disneyland or Disney World. So then in 2023, they brought it to Walt Disney World. So, first of all, the original one was totally scarier, and it's actually kind of a shame that they couldn't make that one work. If you've seen the effect now, it's very much like a projection effect, which totally makes sense. That's why it would work in the attic scene in Disneyland, which is where it originally generally was. The one in Disney World, though, is right next to the endless hallway.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

It is kind of an odd spot. I've heard some people talk about that on the internet too, like some other YouTubers that are like, you know, I don't really love it, like it should be in the attic. I don't know that I care that much about where it is. Yeah. I feel like the effect nowadays, looking at it, I was like, it's not as cool because I almost feel like the effect of just doing the lights on it looks cooler versus a projection that we know Disney's just good at that. So of course, oh, that's not that surprising. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Do you know what I'm saying? I am glad they brought it back though. But I am too. I think the the only issue that people had was that it's supposed to be like after the seance, because Madame Leota is supposed to be summoning the spirits.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, he's maybe undead.

SPEAKER_00:

You don't see any ghosts until after that. Wow. That was kind of the idea.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, then that is kind of a big deal. I genuinely that just right over my head.

SPEAKER_00:

That was the idea anyway, but again, yeah, I don't, I don't know. Yeah. But I'm glad they brought it back though. I will say that I'm glad that it's back.

SPEAKER_03:

It's a fun piece of lore that like only existed for a few weeks, everyone obsessed over it for decades, and then they finally made it happen.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm gonna tell you though, I didn't realize that it had been in Disneyland since 2015. I thought it came to both parks like a couple years ago.

SPEAKER_03:

But that's according to the internet, you know. I'm no Disney historian, I just like to read a lot of blogs.

SPEAKER_00:

There you go.

SPEAKER_03:

And more legitimate websites too, but you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_00:

So by the way, I started to write out my list here. And I wrote out a couple things, and then I realized that everything I had written out, we had already covered in our fun facts episode. I started writing about the Beatles breaking up. I started writing about Nixon's speech at the Contemporary and uh the Wave Machine in Seven Seas Lagoon, and then I realized we had cover all of those. So hey, go check out the fun facts. We will link the fun facts episode if you're interested in any of that lore. Uh, those are some of my favorite lores.

SPEAKER_03:

That was a good episode.

SPEAKER_00:

That was a very fun episode, and we had a bunch more in there. So anyway, so I'm gonna talk about first the history of the Disney Institute. Oh, yes, at Saratoga Springs.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, that didn't even cross my mind.

SPEAKER_00:

So I'm gonna give a bit of an abbreviated version because we could go really far deep into this, and this could be a whole episode going as far back as like the Lake Buena Vista shopping district and the village. Oh, yeah, it can get real. So we're gonna we're gonna start in like the mid-90s, and we're just gonna kind of go from there. So uh Michael Eisner had become CEO. He had gone to this place that I can't remember the name of it, but he had gone to this basically a place that was very similar with his family. Um, it was like the I should have looked it up. It was an institute basically where it was like this they mixed travel and education in the same boat, essentially. So you're you go with your family, you could learn things, and he was like, This is great, this is something we should be doing at Disney. And so at the village resort in Disney World, which is right across the street from what is now Disney Springs, he was like, This is where we should be doing this. Well, he had a couple different ideas first. He wanted to do it, I think, in Aspen, Colorado first. He wanted to do it in, I think, celebration for a little while, but then he ended up doing it at the place they already had, and then just sort of adding on to this hotel.

SPEAKER_03:

So I'm gonna interrupt you. It was called the Chautauqua, assuming I said it right, institution.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

In I think like upstate New York.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. So that was the original one that kind of gave him the idea to do this. So it was this idea, and it was kind of a cool idea, and I'm kind of sad that it didn't go very well because it was kind of like this idea where you would have two or three days of your vacation and you could go and learn all these different cool things from experts, whether it was culinary arts or you could learn actual art, you could learn animation, gardening, you could learn, um, you could take sports classes, you could take fitness, you could take all these different classes, animation classes, from industry leading experts. And I thought that was such a cool, unique idea, and it just really was not very well attended. So uh so 1996 to 2002 is was the last time they had a group stay there. So um actually, hold on.

SPEAKER_03:

Do you think that group knew they were the last group?

SPEAKER_00:

So actually, no, it was 1996, and then and so I'm sorry, I should have read reread my notes here. It then changed in 2000 to being more focused on companies and groups because the individual tourists were not really coming in. It's hard. So then they started doing businesses and stuff like that, but even that didn't go very well. So then in 2002 is when they basically stopped doing it there altogether, and then in 2004, they opened up Saratoga Springs.

SPEAKER_03:

Gosh, you know, I have to say, all of that does sound more recent than I would have guessed. 2004 was oh, I guess that was a while ago, but it doesn't feel like it was that long ago. Yeah, like in our lifetime, we could have gone there and remembered it very easily.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

That's wild to me.

SPEAKER_00:

So they were okay, so there were more than 60 programs in the performing arts, culinary arts, all that kind of stuff. There was a 400-seat cinema, a 225-seat amphitheater, and a huge fitness and sports center. Cinema's still there? Oh, I gotta find out. Is that what's in that big red barn? Didn't we look at it?

SPEAKER_03:

That's what I'm wondering. I I know. I I feel like it's in the back of my okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, a bunch of classrooms, all that kind of stuff, still there. But the the Disney Institute is still around, but now they it's a they basically go two companies or they hope they host it in you know, like big uh event centers and that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. This is according to random, like a random message board. Okay. The cinema is now the model center for DVC.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh.

SPEAKER_03:

The performance theater is part of Saratoga, located right across from the check-in building. I'm pretty sure occasionally used for performance. If I remember right, I can't remember that.

SPEAKER_00:

If I remember right, the amphitheater became where the main pool is, though.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, yeah, you can see the amphitheater here in the space now taken up by the high rock spring pool.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, that makes sense. There's a whole, okay. I gotta, I'm not before I lose this, I want to send this to us. We can watch it tonight with our popsicle. There was apparently a show called Inside Out, where it was like, I'm assuming it's like behind the scenes in Disney. And it's an entire one, or at least part of this, is all about the Disney Institute. So I'm gonna send it to us.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, we can definitely do that.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, go ahead.

SPEAKER_00:

So if you want to read the whole story, there's an awesome book called Hidden Treasures of the Walt Disney World Resort Hotels by Jim Corcus. He goes into all of the history about it, way more detail than what I just went into. It's a fantastic book about all the Walt Disney World hotels. Jim Corcus has so many amazing books. Somebody, by the way, sent us a message and said, I always bring up so many books throughout the podcast.

SPEAKER_03:

I did see that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And I should write a blog post about it. I've been meaning to do that for like 10 years now. I will do that at some point, I promise. But that's a great one. The other one, speaking of Michael Eisner, that I just finished, I cannot believe I haven't read it until now, is Disney War by James B. Stewart. So good.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, you love it. You've been talking about it a lot.

SPEAKER_00:

I won't shut up about it.

SPEAKER_03:

I love it.

SPEAKER_00:

If you're interested in Michael Eisner, which they didn't bring up the Disney Institute at all throughout the entire book, fascinatingly enough. But great book, both great books, if you're interested in that. So that's the the very, very cliff note version there of the Disney Institute.

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I love okay, anything that still has remnants today, I will obsess over, as as they say. It's my Roman Empire. Truly, like there's a reason why so many people are fascinated in river country because there were remnants you could literally see legally and easily for years, decades, maybe for a long time. Now, of course, that's gonna be Lakeside Lodge. We've seen a lot of the construction. I almost talked about river country in this. I held back.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

We are planning a future, future episode on Disney Unsolved Mysteries. Yeah, that'd be those are I literally was creating things for this video, and I had to take almost all of them out, and we're gonna put it in that because a lot of them I'm I'm super into it. Okay, this blew me away, and it may be stupid to some of you. I don't know. We're gonna go over to Carousela Progress. Okay. Now, I just watched a deep dive on the 1964 New York World's Fair and Disney's, you know, collaboration with it. Fascinating. I mean deep dive. And one thing that stood out to me that I thought was interesting was that Carousella Progress was one of a couple of attractions that Walt Disney and the studio worked on and created basically for and with companies to then showcase at the World's Fair.

SPEAKER_00:

And he got a free ride out of it.

SPEAKER_03:

And he got literally, yeah, he got paid to basically work out some technology he was wanting to work out like audio.

SPEAKER_00:

You pay for it, I'll do it, and then you give me the ride.

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, it was genius. And it's too bad, like there was one, what was it, the Ford Skyway or whatever?

SPEAKER_00:

That one I know, which if you've seen video of that, is it looks so cool. I'm so sad that never became a ride.

SPEAKER_03:

But thank goodness we also got great moments with Mr. Lincoln. I don't think that's exactly what it was called, but the literal Lincoln animatronic and carousel of progress, which is of course a big deal. So this was a project that Walt Disney himself apparently really, and we all knew he had his hand in it big time. It was his baby. Like he would spend so many extra hours in there and like finagling things and watching it and thinking through, and like he loved, and it makes sense. He loves looking back at history. He seems like a based on everything I know about Walt, and he is my best friend, very nostalgic creature.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. You know what's funny is so many quotes about Walt Disney are always like, oh, he was never concerned with the past. He always was move moving forward, looking forward. And I'm like, yeah, but he also was like the most nostalgic. He's both.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, what my next one I'm gonna talk to you about will prove the nostalgic.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, he was very much of a nostalgic person on top of oh, of course he was looking forward. He was a very future-driven person. And how can he be much both?

SPEAKER_03:

It can be both.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And he is both. So um, with this project, the sponsor on the project was GE, which probably doesn't surprise you if surprise you if you've seen the show slash ridden the ride.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Because of course, he's talking about look at this new Fangle, yeah, beep pop dishwasher, nuven, yeah, all the things, and they're popping open. And so it's very clear that it was most likely sponsored. Although I don't think, do they still say GE on that?

SPEAKER_00:

All the I think the the appliances still say GE. Why not, right?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I mean that at this point it's a time capsule. One of the big arguments that Walt had with GE was that GE wanted it to be very much a brand-focused thing. And of course, Walt, knowing what he knows about a good experience, was like, I'm telling you, the storytelling of it all is what is going to make people want to own these same appliances from GE. And so he's fighting for the storytelling angle, and GE didn't really, you know, it was got this kind of Americana and a lot of history. And GE was like, no, we don't want to think backwards, and we don't want, well, we'll get to the future part. Yeah. So anyway, it was just kind of like interesting dynamics back and forth. Obviously, in the end, it ended up being incredibly successful at the World's Fair. One of, I think, I don't know if it was the highest end, but it was like one of the most successful things there. But we all know the song for Carousel of Progress. There's a great thing, we talk about it all the time. Beautiful. Side note, if you watch the studio, they end the entire season playing that song. We were both like, oh my God. It was and it was used perfectly. It was used perfectly. Anyway, that was just awesome.

SPEAKER_00:

What it was funny, it took like a second to register because we were like, it was so out of place. Like, wait, they can't use this song.

SPEAKER_03:

I know. I'm like, how did they get the right side? And we're like, this is Apple T. Yeah, we could not figure out. This is not how I guess they can hey, it just doesn't seem right. So obviously, with all the success, GE eventually realized okay, Walt was right, you know, blah, blah, blah. Well, they never really liked the song, The Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow. There's a great, because they felt that it kind of steered people towards waiting to buy appliances. Because again, that's what they're thinking about. Till the future. Because you know, there's so much progress happening that in the future, if you wait another year or two, it'll be better. You wait another year. And they, of course, want people buying appliances right meow. Okay. Exactly. So after the World's Fair, they moved the Carousella Progress over to Disneyland, where it stayed for quite a while. And when Walt died in 1966, GE kind of had a little more sway. And that was when they basically asked the Sherman brothers to write a new song, and this song was called The Best Time of Your Life. Don't you sing it yet?

SPEAKER_00:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

So please understand that a lot of this I was I knew a lot of this, but this part with the song was new to me. So excited. So it ran with this song for years. And this song, some of you will recognize. Okay, I'm gonna hum it for you. Do you recognize it? That's that song.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So obviously, if in people, I guess Imagineers have come out and said, like, if Walt were still alive, like that song probably wouldn't have changed. Like the Imagineers might have stood up against it a little bit more. Nonetheless, it was changed to that.

SPEAKER_00:

If you can't picture where you've heard that song before, if you hear like I know that I know that song, it's played in Tomorrowland even still.

SPEAKER_03:

On a loop. I'm telling you, it's like the main thing you hear. So yeah, if you're like, why do I know it? That's what it is. Yeah. They play the and again in the show, it had you can look it up on YouTube. It's actual like lyrics and it's a song song. I mean, but it's this background, kind of weird, Tomorrowlandy sounding. That's where you hear it, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00:

But the lyrics are now is the time. Now is the time, now is the best time of your life. Basically saying, don't wait till tomorrow. Buy it, buy it. Now is the time to buy GE appliances.

SPEAKER_03:

It's so on the nose. It's yeah. Oh my gosh. No, they don't say buy GE appliance, but they might as well. But yeah. So GE eventually, so that was in the late 1960s, let's say. 1985 is when GE pulled its sponsorship. What was interesting to me too was that they moved Carousel of Progress in 1973. That's when it closed in Disneyland. Okay. Walt died in 66. Carousel closed in Disneyland. What is that, seven years later? Took two years for them to move it piece by piece to Disney World and opened two years later in 1975. They continued with song until 1985. So for 10 years in the Magic Kingdom, it played that song. Yeah. And so then GE moved or took out their sponsorship just because, you know, the times, times were a changing, and they switched back to There's a Great Big Beautiful. I wonder if that was when they switched to the dumb newfangled banjo one.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I bet it was.

SPEAKER_03:

That makes sense. I never thought about it, but yeah. But it's a shame. But so glad to have the original song back. But I love that there's that weird nod to that weird random song in the area loop at all times. Also, fun little fact, I did not realize this. The dog in every scene is a different breed and has a different name.

SPEAKER_00:

It's Rover, isn't it? Isn't it always Rover?

SPEAKER_03:

He calls him sport at one point Rover. Um, I don't remember what they all were, but yeah, it's it's and it's not wildly different, but it's ever so slightly different. I gotta I gotta prove it.

SPEAKER_00:

I never noticed that. Also, okay, well, while you're doing that, yeah, you just talking about what Walt being so involved reminded me of one of my favorite bits of little history from the carousel of progress. The all the business from the uncle being in the bathtub was all Walt. So while they were developing this show, he ended up going and sitting in the bathtub. And he's like, Oh, you know, okay, well, he would, oh, he would have his feet sticking up here. Oh, like he's basically the gag man that came up with all those jokes and that kind of stuff. He's like, oh, well, he would have, you know, a sarsparilla sitting on the thing, or he would have like he's like all the jokes and stuff like that. Those were all because he was actually sitting in the tub coming up with the gags for that, for that bit.

SPEAKER_03:

Gosh, he looks awfully similar in every single one. So yeah, I don't I've never but there's so many sites saying it's a different, like slightly different breed in color. But I mean, if it's true, it's very slight.

SPEAKER_00:

I swear he calls him rover in every scene.

SPEAKER_03:

He definitely calls him rover at least once. Okay, somebody let us know. I'll I'll try to remember to look this up later, but it's gonna be a deeper dive than I ever expected. I just always heard that. Yeah. And see, this is why you can't trust things at face value.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. This one's a kind of short one.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm gonna talk quickly about the legend of Beacon Joe. What? You probably heard of this before.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

And once I bring it up, you'll be like, oh, maybe I've heard of that.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

So to save money, oftentimes, and time, oftentimes imagineers will reuse the same faces for different animatronics in different areas of the park. So you might see uh President Thomas Jefferson as a sheriff in a great movie, right?

SPEAKER_03:

Incredible. Is that a real things like that? Yeah. Or is that just that's a real one? That's a real one. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00:

So there are different things like that where you can see because they're like, we already have these faces, they might dress them up. Why not? One might have a beard, one might not. Beacon Joe is one of those that are found in several different places. So he was originally found, he was designed by Mark Davis, the imagineer. He was originally found in the blue bayou in Disneyland, in the Pirates of the Caribbean ride. He's sitting on his porch right now.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And he's sitting, um, like before you even really get to the pirates ride, he's sitting there in the blue bayou. Originally, the Pirates of the Caribbean was not going to be in Florida because the Disney company assumed you're not going to Florida to see pirates, you know, like they just which it seems so silly to me, like in hindsight, but that was their sort of mentality. Like, uh, you don't need pirates. Like, because in California there's no pirates, so we need, you know, Florida's already got pirates, we don't need pirates. But people showed up the first couple years and were furious that they didn't have pirates. So anyway, ended up adding pirates later on. He is in pirates. In Magic Kingdom? In the Magic Kingdom. He in the jail cell in the final scene. He's one of the people trying to get the the key from the dog.

SPEAKER_01:

I had no idea.

SPEAKER_00:

He's the he's the one, I think, standing in the back.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

He is in the Magic Kingdom in the Rivers of America. He's the one when you're riding R A Pfid. When you were riding on the rivers of America, he was like in a shack in the back with his dog, and the dog was kind of watching the fish jump, and he was sitting in the back kind of rocking the thing. Same guy. He is also if they're gonna reuse any of that stuff, that'd be so cool. Maybe in homage somewhere. I don't know. Uh he was in the or is in the haunted mansion. He doesn't have a beard there. It's the only place I think he doesn't have a beard. He is uh on the table in the ballroom scene. He has a crown on, no beard. Same, that's Beacon Joe. He's also in Tokyo Disney somewhere. I don't know. I don't know where it is because I've never been there, but I know he's there somewhere. So he's in several places, but his name is Beacon Joe.

SPEAKER_03:

And it's like the same mold. Yeah, the same face.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and he's in several places in. Yeah. And I think it was like it was based off of the artwork when they were originally designing Pirates of the Caribbean as like a walkthrough ride. Because Pirates was originally going to be a walkthrough ride, and that's kind of where the it originally came from. Gosh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_03:

That's super cool. I had no idea. All right, mine, we're gonna take a little piece of Walt Disney, the man, history. Although I guess my last one also had a little bit to do, but nonetheless. I want to talk about the lamp that's above the fire station on Main Street in Disneyland in California. Obviously, if you're listening to this podcast, you probably already know, you know, the general like, oh, if the light was on, that meant Walt was up there, he was there at the park or in his apartment, blah, blah, blah. And nowadays they just always have it on. I did not realize a few things about this that I found really interesting. One, people have taken tours of this. Okay, how are you getting a tour? I haven't Googled it. Maybe it's Like super easy.

SPEAKER_00:

It's the walking in Waltz footsteps tour. I think everybody gets to go there.

SPEAKER_03:

Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_00:

I think so. We gotta bring a babysitter with us so that we can go do this tour. I'm pretty sure. Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_03:

Because I don't think it's hard to walk in.

SPEAKER_00:

I think I don't think you could like walk around the apartment, but I think you can walk in.

SPEAKER_03:

So one of the most interesting things is it's really just like one room.

SPEAKER_00:

It's pretty small.

SPEAKER_03:

So, first of all, a little of the interesting history, and this was actually um on the website, it was like waltdisney.org. It was like from their his their family museum. Okay. So we have a few quotes about the space, even from Walt or was it from Walt? Or no, it was from his daughter, Diane Disney Miller. So it was just kind of interesting. So, first of all, the reason Disney did this at all was because he, at the time that they were building Disneyland Park, they were producing Lady in the Tramp. So he was constantly going from the studios in Burbank to his home on what Carrollwood Road to the park. Like, and it was just so much. So he was like, I need a place where I can like relax if I've my wife's there, if my kids wants it's open too, you know, whatever. It was actually decorated by someone who he won an Oscar for 20,000 leagues. His name was Emile Currie, I think. And maybe it was a she. I actually don't know. He there it is. He also worked on Great Moments with Mr. Lincoln. He worked on the Plaza Inn, but he also decorated and furnished this apartment. A lot of the decorations in the apartment were actually inspired by some of their antiques. They would they would go antique shopping when they would travel, Walton, Lillian.

SPEAKER_00:

She loved antiques.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. And one of the things she collected was cranberry glass. And which I didn't even know what that, I still barely, I just know it's glass. It's like that color. You know what I mean? So if you look at pictures, and we can pop one on the screen now of the apartment, it is cranberry wrap. Yes, it is. It is drapes, I'm pretty sure the carpet, the the um couches, like it is, but it has a ton of these antiques they collected over the years, but it was designed. This is where the nostalgic piece of him is. It was designed in the Victorian style because Diane Disney Miller saying this, she said, quote, Mother and Dad loved the Victorian period. It was the period they grew up in, but our home was not of that style. So this was their little Victorian masterpiece. So they got to have their own little, and I'm like, again, nostalgic for your own childhood. Like I just think that's so sweet. But I was just surprised that it is just the one room and then like a bathroom and vanity sink area. And a little kitchen. And a little kitchen, but it's like in the main room.

SPEAKER_00:

Like it's just like against the it's like a studio where he could go have his little Scotch mist.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, you know what's still in there if you ever take a tour? A literal his grilled cheese press.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. And he would do a so old.

SPEAKER_03:

So, and I also saw they opened the cabinets for like where what the um their like dining wear.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

And I saw at the top a uh what's the coffee thing that's like shaped like an hourglass.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, uh coffee um uh French press, but uh um like a sieve, but not Oh my gosh. I would have known if you didn't.

SPEAKER_03:

Coffee siphon. A siphon, right? No, it's uh Well, we all know what we're talking about, right? It's kind of we have one. We do. It's really good. We gotta use it. We can use it, pull that out. Low tech. Anyway, there was one of those in there, and that just made me smile. But some of you look it up.

SPEAKER_00:

It's gonna drive me crazy.

SPEAKER_03:

There were a couple things that I used to only like when I would pass the light there, I'd be like, okay, like that's so cool to think he was there. But I want to give you guys a couple of tidbits that make it feel even more real and cool. Okay. So one of my favorite stories is it said the night before Disneyland's grand opening 1955, Walt finally climbed in his bed there, which there's not really a bed, it's really just couches, but maybe one pulls out. I don't know. But he finally climbed into bed at 2 a.m. Quote, I decided to, this is him. I decided to get some rest. So I got in bed in the little room above the firehouse, he told his colleagues on opening day. Quote, everybody kept waking me up. So I got up and locked the door. When I got up this morning, I couldn't get the darn door unlocked. I had to yell for help on opening day. Can you imagine? Oh my gosh. So that that piece alone is so cool to me. So the other thing I just I like the idea, like thinking about this. So it said when the Disneyland opening frenzy had kind of calmed, like I'm assuming they mean weeks or months later, Walt settled in and bringing his family to the apartment was something he enjoyed. Um, two of his grandchildren, Joanna and Chris, fondly remember spending their evenings in the Cranberry Hideaway listening to sounds drifting across from the nearby jungle cruise. Think about where it is. Yeah. Like that blew me away. Cause I'm like, oh yeah, the sounds of Main Street or the sounds of no, the sounds of the jungle cruise right behind it. I'm like, that is so cool. Like, I couldn't have thought about it. If you look at a map, it makes perfect sense. Talk about like, you know, sound bleed, like anyway. I just that is such a romantic, I think, view of that whole thing beyond just knowing, oh, that was Walt's apartment and he stayed there. Also, I'm sure some of you guys know this. I did not. There's a dream suite in Disneyland. Okay, I'm not talking about the one in Cinderella Castle and Magic Kingdom. Okay. That was going to be his like way nicer, bigger apartment for like special guests he had or whatever, when there'd be probably like an actual bedroom, an actual kitchen, all of that. Well, it exists today, but when he died, it wasn't done being designed or constructed, whatever. So they just stopped for a long time and it just sat unfinished. It's right above when you're in line for Pirates of the Caribbean, it's right up there. There's literally like stairs, you can see it clear as day. So now it's built, you can see it. Um, well, maybe on some tour. I don't actually know. People have stayed there, whatever. But um, I just didn't even know that that was something that existed.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, did you know that there's also he was not the only one that had an apartment in Disneyland?

SPEAKER_03:

Well, there's the little man of Disneyland, of course.

SPEAKER_00:

From that, from the golden book. Yeah, it's there though. Um yes, uh, yes, you're right. No, um, Wally Bogue, uh, from the Golden Horseshoe Review, also had an apartment there.

SPEAKER_03:

Where?

SPEAKER_00:

Um, it was above, I think it was above what is now the Liberty or no, what is that restaurant? The River Bell Terrace restaurant.

SPEAKER_03:

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_00:

And they also, if I remember right, the the people that trained the horses had a trailer and they also lived on property, like in but like back in the back. Um, but yeah, Wally Wogue had an apartment there. I think it was it a Riverbell Terrace restaurant. Yeah, I don't think it wasn't called the River Bell Terrace back then. It's gonna be a deeper dive. I'm pretty sure. Again, I don't know Disneyland as well as I know Disney World.

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Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, we definitely our knowledge is much greater of Disney World.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, this will be another quick one here because we've still got to get to our listener feedback. Walt has historical ties very close to where Walt Disney World ended up being in Florida. Really? In Florida? In Florida. So the short version of the story is Keppel Disney, Walt's grandfather, and his father, Elias Disney, were living in Canada. They moved to Kansas. I think they were on their way to California, but they moved to Kansas, where they met the Call family, as in Flora Call, who ended up being Walt's mother. The Call family moved to Florida, and then the Disneys kind of followed them down there because they were tired of cold Kansas winters. So they were all living in Florida. Keppel Disney didn't like Florida, so he moved back to Kansas. So Elias Disney ended up buying a farm. That didn't go very well. He ended up managing a hotel in Daytona Beach that was called, I wrote it down, the Halifax Hotel in Daytona Beach. That did not go very well. The apparently there is still a Halifax Avenue, though, where that hotel stood. The hotel is gone, but that is still there. That did not go very well. He was a mailman in Kissimmee for a little while. That also did not go very well.

SPEAKER_03:

But in Kissimmee, I mean that's like very close, right? Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00:

So all these ties, none of it really went very well. But Elias and uh Flora got married in Florida January 1st. January 1st, yes, January 1st, 1888. And then a year later in 1889, they ended up moving to Chicago, where Elias got work working on the Chicago World's Fair. And then we fast forward, you know, to the 1964 World's Fair where Walt was, you know, Mr. World's Fair.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, gosh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_00:

Isn't that crazy? Which by the way.

SPEAKER_03:

Also, that World's Fair, that was 1893. That's like the other World's Fair that's like That was the big deal.

SPEAKER_00:

You read the book The Devil in the White City. It's a fantastic. Um, but anyway, so that's kind of the very, very short version of that story. But he they did all kinds of stuff there. The calls had a farm there, and they they did live there for a long time.

SPEAKER_03:

But wow, I had genuinely no idea.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

That's pretty gosh, they were moving all over.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, they lived the country.

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, think about that. Yeah. From Canada to Fli to Kansas to Florida to Chicago to Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And I think their oldest son was born in Florida.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

I can't remember his name, but he was born in Florida. But yeah, I mean, if you look at the Disney history, Chicago and uh our obviously Mark Roy or does he have all the Disney family? Marceline, Missouri, there's Canada. We have Missouri. I didn't even think about that one. There, I mean, that the there's so many different places that have ties to Disney, Kansas, Kansas City. Um, anyway, so that was that very quick version of that story. Yeah, there we go. All right. So there's a little bit of Disney lore for you. That did I do it right?

SPEAKER_03:

So fun. You did it even better than I did. All right. So we like we said, we posted on all the things. If you're looking for us on Instagram or Facebook or uh YouTube, it is Disneyville Podcast. You will find us, you'll see our faces.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. So G Men Galaxy said the fact they had to buy land for Disney World under fake companies in order to get it for cheap. That's a good one. That's a great there's a book called The Florida Project, which is also a great book. It's a fantastic read. They go into that, they deep a deep dive into that.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, yeah. Okay. Stephanie Hicks said, I posted on Instagram too. I love the lore of George on Pirates of the Caribbean. Cast members say good night or good morning, George, or else the ghost of George, a welder who passed away during the construction of the ride, will cause issues on the ride throughout the day. I think it's the WDW Pirates of the Caribbean ride. Yeah, I've definitely heard that. Yeah. You've heard that too? Yeah, that's true. I can never remember the name of who it is, but yeah. Absolutely. And, you know, there's a lot of people posting, like, you know, when we asked this of you guys about like, do people really spread their ashes through like haunted mansion, the Pirates of the Caribbean and stuff? We've all heard tell of it. Yeah. Who knows? I know it's absolutely against the rules. Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

But I have heard about it. I've heard about it. Tori underscore turtles said the darn Yeti. Oh my gosh. He shook Everest too much. He's broke, but impossible to fix. He was terrifying.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, like which of those theories, though, is the one that kind of explains it. That might be one we go into our mystery episode where we do a deep research into that because I know Joe Roadie, like, didn't he recently like talk more about it?

SPEAKER_00:

Like it was kind of like nobody talked about it for a long time, and then I think he talked about it like this.

SPEAKER_03:

I feel like I do remember that. Maybe in like one of the new Disney things that they're putting out on Disney Plus all the time, like the behind the attraction, whatever those are.

SPEAKER_00:

I thought it was like a D23 thing where he talked about it more. I don't know. We'll we'll have to look it up.

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, the real I'm back, I'm back on that. The reality is like they could rebuild the Yeti completely and install him in there. It would just probably be so expensive. And to get him into there, and uh you know, I don't know. It must be one of those things that it's not, it's obviously not worth it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, because they would probably have to do it.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't even know if they're not like that is the one thing that makes the ride fun. The ride is just fun, however, it is so much cooler when he was moving. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00:

If you didn't get to experience that, oh my gosh, that was. Disco Yeti. Ooh, okay, this is one that I've heard a lot. The real skeletons on Pirates of the Caribbean. That was sorry, that was Kristen on Main Street, brought that up. The real skeletons.

SPEAKER_03:

Is that real or is that true or not?

SPEAKER_00:

From what I've heard, from if I remember right, it had something to do with like when the the imaginaires were first doing the riot, they ended up having like medical students helped them find bones, but I also heard that that was not true. So I need you to find me 15 skeletons. This is one of those things that I feel like I've I've heard. Yes, it's true. I've heard it's not true. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, people people never wondered if it was haunted. If they are real bones, come on.

SPEAKER_00:

People are probably gonna fight me on that one.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, Emily2780 said, Hi, love you guys and your podcast. Fun Disney lore. Back this one blew my mind, Taylor. Back in the 70s, Japanese Emperor Hirohito personally gifted Roy Disney a stone lantern to commemorate the opening of Magic Kingdom. It was a sign of friendship and was to light the way for happiness and success. However, it was later moved to the Epcot Japan Pavilion. I had no idea where it still resides today. Also, throwing in there that Emperor Hirohito wore a Mickey Mouse watch even on special occasion for years, because why not?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

That is so he was a day, he was totally a Disney adult.

SPEAKER_00:

I I forgot about the the lantern, but yeah, I had heard about that.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, you've got to point that out to me next time we're in Epcot.

SPEAKER_00:

Um yeah, I will. A couple people have brought up the fact that Johnny Depp will go in and replace the animatronic in the Pirates.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

He does that from time to time. I think it's been a while, but he has been known to do that occasionally.

SPEAKER_03:

I will say the when we went, was it Halloween? And we rode Pirates of the Caribbean and there were live actors in the ride. That was the coolest thing I've ever seen.

SPEAKER_00:

I didn't get to do that because I think that's right.

SPEAKER_03:

I think I took Gigi on and you had Felicity and she was asleep or something. It was quite a fun night. But yeah, Genevieve and I both were like, oh my gosh, this is so cool. Joey Calzone 42 said, I love the story that the Imagineers had to ride Mission Breakout over and over and over again, testing all the songs that they were interested in using for the ride, and ended up riding it like a hundred times in a row. That's that sounds like the most fun job of all time.

SPEAKER_00:

Pilgrim refinishing said the angles on the Epcot ball are angled specifically where you don't get dripped on by the rain when you walk under it. It's incredible. It's and I think that it doesn't it drain down into underneath the pavement too. So like it then it goes into the system underneath.

SPEAKER_03:

It sounds like something they would design. Oh yeah. Reese, first of all, I love your username, Reese's PC's Lover 18. Reese's PCs. Reese's PCs um said, I love the story about Walt watching guests, maybe from the castle, to see how far they'd walk before dropping trash on the ground. It was 30 steps. Now that's how far apart trash cans are in Disney. Yeah, I've definitely heard that. I never knew exactly how many steps it was, but that he would kind of figure like, how far is someone willing to walk before they're like, forget it. Also, though, who's throwing the trash on the car?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, and there's another story of him talking about like how long does it take him to eat a hot dog? Like how many steps to eat a hot dog? And that's that was his fake way of figuring it out. Um Yeah, I've heard a lot of different things.

SPEAKER_03:

You're right. I love that.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, the uh Julie Loscavio said, no, Los Chiavo said the haunted mansion development process, all the imagineers involved, etc., there is so much lore with the Haunted Mansion. There are documentaries, there's YouTube videos, there's books, all dedicated to the Haunted Mansion. There's so much backstory. If if you have um Disney Plus behind behind the attraction, there's a great episode on the Haunted Mansion. That's a really good one.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, by the way, we've talked about this in a previous episode, but it was a while ago, on the Disney treasure in the Haunted Mansion parlor lounge they have, which even kids can go in, by the way, during the day. Uh, they had this huge like fishbowl in the middle of it, and it had this kind of like creature on top. And we're like, what is this? Like, how do we not recognize this from the haunted mansion? We learned later from watching some nerdy videos that we were watching that it was original concept art for the Haunted Mansion that they decided to put in here. I'm like, talk about deep history lore, like that right there. We didn't even know it, and we're geeks.

SPEAKER_00:

Squidgy84 said, This is what you were talking about, the kidnapping of Buzzy.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, we will be talking about that. If you don't know, you will know soon. That's gonna be in the mystery episode. I could do a whole no. Anyway, I never even rode that ride, and I'm still fascinated in that story.

SPEAKER_00:

The Wad Squad one said, uh, all the lore I have learned from you guys. We do talk a lot about all different kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_03:

We do.

SPEAKER_00:

It's all lies. Don't believe anything we say. I just make it up as I go along.

SPEAKER_03:

Ooh, Liony Loves Lacquer says, the phantasmic actors, dangers of performing, Tinkerbell and Ariel, behind the scenes stuff. Okay, one thing that does bump around in my mind, rent-free, live in my mind, okay, is that they have to put a bag over Ariel's head when they're out of right before the fireworks and stuff start going off because she can't move and everyone else can get out of the way on the boat. Um I didn't explain at all where I was in the show. They're all on the big boat. All the characters can run for like kind of safety undercover, but she can't, so they have to bag her. Yeah. And you can see video of it on YouTube. It is, it is wild to witness.

SPEAKER_00:

We did sit really far on the side one time and you could see it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, clear. Gosh, I feel like you could see it from across. If you know what to look for, you will see it.

SPEAKER_00:

Ooh, our power 029, the basketball court inside the Matterhorn at Disneyland. That does exist. For a long time it was lore, but now we've got video proof. It does exist. That's very cool. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_03:

Seth Selfie said poop river, obviously.

SPEAKER_00:

That's great.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm not even gonna explain that one because if you don't know it, look it up. No, it's not that bad. It's the brown uh like trail of brick. It's not even brick, you know what I mean, through Liberty Square, meant to represent how everyone during that time would just throw their sewage out the window into the middle of the road. Hence poop river. I think that's hilarious. We could do a whole episode, I feel like, on Liberty Square and all the thoughtful things. That would that would be a fun one.

SPEAKER_00:

I should do that.

SPEAKER_03:

You know, we should do that in like July.

SPEAKER_00:

Mr. American history. I should be that's what I should do.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, the uh a lot of people brought up the fact that Walt Disney was either frozen, had his head frozen, cryo frozen, whatever.

SPEAKER_03:

Hidden underneath I've heard hidden underneath certain like parts of the city. Um he was he was if he's gonna be anywhere, it'd be at Disneyland, not Disney World.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

You know, cool.

SPEAKER_00:

He was cremated. I'm sorry to tell you.

SPEAKER_03:

Do you have proof?

SPEAKER_00:

That was kind of a weird thing that uh Michael Eisner talked about at one point. He was kind of going off the deep end there towards the end. I do think Michael Eisner was a great CEO until he wasn't. But towards the end, probably true for any CEO. He was kind of losing his mind. He did it for too long, I think was part of the problem. But he he was doing like a radio or a TV interview, and he told this whole story about how he went to Walt's grave, and he like nobody knows where it is, and I was really lucky because I gotta go, and you know, I was told by the family where it was, and I gotta go. And then Diane Disney Miller sent him a letter, and she was like, Why did you tell people that? You know that Walt was cremated, he doesn't have a grave site. I don't know it's just I don't know, he's kind of losing his mind there at the end. But anyway, sorry to tell you he was cremated. It was fire, not ice.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, okay. This is one I remember thinking when this movie first came out. Lauren Eagle said Frozen was named Frozen so that folks would stop talking about Walt Disney's Frozen Head below Disneyland.

SPEAKER_00:

Speaking of which, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Um, I've that I think about at on a yearly basis. At least once. I think about if I were to search for Frozen and Disney, it would never come up Walt Disney the man frozen or frozen head or whatever it is. It will always be frozen Disney. It'll always be the movie. Yeah. And Frozen 2 and Frozen, you know.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh Miss Haley Lynn, what what? Haley's uh one of our wonderful agents at People Mover Travel. Said the little man of Disneyland. That's what we were talking about from that little golden book. Yeah. Um his house is by the Indian His house is by Indiana Jones and even gets seasonal decor.

SPEAKER_03:

That is the cutest dumb thing ever. Think about that. They take the time from this very random old little golden book. They keep it there, they keep it up, they decorate it. It's such a small little whimsical thing, and that is why Disney is so amazing.

SPEAKER_00:

And unless you found unless you read that book, no one, you just walk by it.

SPEAKER_03:

And it's not serving any purpose other than to enchant.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Just enchants. All the whimsy. Whimsy. I just love it.

SPEAKER_00:

Feeling fun in fourth four.

SPEAKER_03:

Feeling fun and fancy free.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh said, My dad tells stories about going to river country as a kid, and it's my Roman Empire. Yes, thank you. I'm also deeply saddened that I will never get to experience Ellen's energy adventure. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry.

SPEAKER_03:

It's one of the few oldies we actually have ridden a lot. You know what? We were into how weird it was then. I would just like to say.

SPEAKER_00:

We knew what we had.

SPEAKER_03:

We knew what we had, and we knew when it was going. We were like, great, this is so full. Oh so weird. That ride was exactly as weird as you expected. Do it Blondie said, Mr. Toad reference in the many adventures of Winnie the Pooh since it took over that ride. You know, there, I almost talked about this. There's like more than one Mr. Toad reference, and it's so funny. Like, we've ridden Mr. Toad's Wild Ride over in Disneyland. Fun, you know, little ride, very similar to Pooh, of course, which took over it here in or in Disney World. But there's not only the sweet little moment where he's given the deed to Owl. It's Owl, right? When you first get on the ride, but there's also like a tombstone for Mr. Toad at Haunted Mansion. I'm like, man, of all of the rides that have come and gone around.

SPEAKER_00:

Come and gone, Mr.

SPEAKER_03:

Toad really got like a lot of like in memoriam. Like, very interesting. Like, I want a tombstone for all of the ones that are gone. I want one for Ellen's energy adventure.

SPEAKER_00:

Honestly, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Great movie ride.

SPEAKER_00:

Man, this is we got a lot. I feel like I haven't even done it.

SPEAKER_03:

I know you guys. Oh my god. I'm telling you, we could do a part two, three, four over the years. Um, okay, not Alessandra said the dolls in It's a Small World never turn off. Really? And the dolls get haircuts? Why? Or do their haircuts?

SPEAKER_00:

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Why what no? Hold on. Go back. Why would the dolls need haircuts? Well, they like fingernails. Just always growing. Wait, do they have fingernails too? I got so many. Um man.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Okay, a lot of people bringing up the real bones on Pire to the Caribbean. A lot of people are bringing up people dumping ashes. Uh, a lot of people bringing up frozen waltz.

SPEAKER_03:

Listen to this. Yes, the animatronic dolls, and it's a small world, need yearly haircuts to trim. I'm kidding, this is crazy. To trim their yarn or fiber hair, which stretches and expands due to the ride's humid, yeah, wet environment, and gravity. So even they are affected by gravity.

SPEAKER_00:

Wow.

SPEAKER_03:

That is insane.

unknown:

That's fascinating.

SPEAKER_03:

I will be thinking about that the rest of the week. I think that's a great one to end on.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. I will just say one more thing. A lot of people I'll do this one, but a lot of people brought up. So Web of Disney said they release cats at night to eat up the mice. Ironic.

SPEAKER_01:

That took me a minute. But there's a lot of uh ironic.

SPEAKER_00:

A lot of people did bring up the cats of Disneyland or the cats of Disney World.

SPEAKER_03:

Like there's a lot of Wait, I've never heard that in my life.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, a lot of people did bring that up.

unknown:

Wow.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Wow.

SPEAKER_00:

God, there were so many good ones, though. I'm just so impressed with you guys. Okay, I'm gonna do two more quick ones. Uh Maddie Noel 04, the whole backstory of Dino Land, the mouseelits on TikTok. Dive into it all. Girl, I have talked I have talked the backstory of Dino Land until I'm blue in the face. This is these are my people.

SPEAKER_03:

I've told the mouse lits are the ones I will not shut up about it.

SPEAKER_00:

Those are the sisters, right?

SPEAKER_03:

I love them.

SPEAKER_00:

Dude, I am obsessed with this back. That's what I was going to write about, but I thought that could be your next history episode.

SPEAKER_03:

But it's gone. I wanted to- That's half the fun. I know, but I This is a time capsule, baby.

SPEAKER_00:

I have talked about these ad nauseum in our vlogs. Like I've told this story at least four times.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Now you get to blush it out even more and have like you really get to get it all out one last time.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay. And then my very, very last one, I promise. There's just so many good ones. Katie H. Warlick said the ostrich leg or the turkey. The turkey legs are ostrich legs. Okay, that's my last one.

SPEAKER_03:

Ostriches are truly the most bizarre thing to me.

SPEAKER_00:

I was kind of waiting for somebody to bring that up because that's what that's uh that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, we love to read a review from one of you guys. So this is from a user named Worst Bank Ever. And this was, they just said fun, five stars. That's it. No, I'm kidding. Said, I just found this podcast and I absolutely love it. They are so funny and energetic. I follow many Disney podcasts and I nod off listening. Jeez, not off listening to some of them. Others bicker too much with each other, and some are more negative about Disney rather than positive by not helping listeners get excited for trips and giving pertinent information. Here, the communication is casual, fun, and informative. So hard to find that all-in-one podcast. Keep going.

SPEAKER_00:

Thank you.

SPEAKER_03:

What a thoughtful review. Yeah, that that's the goal. So I'm glad that's coming across.

SPEAKER_00:

I think the most we've ever bickered in our entire career here at Disneyville Podcast is the fact that I said Facebook too many times.

SPEAKER_03:

It's always something like that.

SPEAKER_00:

Facebook.

SPEAKER_03:

And I already forgot. Facebook.

SPEAKER_00:

Anyway. Awesome. That was so sweet.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. Well, I hope you guys enjoyed this one. We have a little bit of a schedule change, so we're gonna be a little bit further out on our next one, just so you know.

SPEAKER_03:

I think instead of two weeks, it'll be three because we've got a Disney trip in there, and it's just the way that the schedule crumbled.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

So, but new stuff coming out. Yeah, very excited.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so we will see you guys in three weeks, and then we'll have a bunch more vlogs coming out soon, too. So yes. All right, we'll see you guys soon.

SPEAKER_03:

Bye, friends.

SPEAKER_00:

Bye.