Disneyville: A Disney World Podcast

Our Favorite DISNEY PARKS Books

• Tyler and Jessica Braun • Season 4 • Episode 53

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Today we're discussing our favorite Disney books - ones that focus on the Parks (Walt Disney World, Disneyland) and even Walt Disney biographies. From planning guides , Imagineers, and hidden mickeys to historical photos and deep dives into extinct/defunct Disney rides, we cover it all! What's your favorite Disney Park book?

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SPEAKER_00:

Welcome to the Disneyville Podcast, episode 53.

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Where we talk about the Disney parks, Disney Cruise, and all the magic in between. This is gonna be Tyler's episode today.

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Yeah.

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But before we get to our episode topic, some updates. I broke my foot. That's been a fun recent update. I burned my foot. Um, so that's just been an interesting update.

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Yeah.

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Doesn't affect the podcast here, but it sure has affected my day-to-day life, especially with the kids. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00:

You've been doing well though. You've been you've been hobbling along and you've been making it work.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, well, you it's been because you've been such a help. I mean, especially with the kids and everything. You've been wonderful. So even down to like here we are in the room and uh filming the podcast. And I'm like, can you bring me coffee? Because I can't with the crutches go down the scare the stairs and carry the coffee. So it's very sweet. So thank you.

SPEAKER_00:

Although you were saying just today you started trying to walk without the crutches. So that's nice.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, we're we're making baby steps. I've got another follow-up thing coming in what, like a week or so. But anyway, I guess with the injury that I have, it's it heals knock on wood, right? Pretty, pretty well.

SPEAKER_00:

Hopefully, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, some people, you know, they'll get the the walking boot, which is what I have, instead of like a full cast, they'll get a walking boot and won't have to use crutches at all from even from the beginning. So I think my doctor's taking a more um gradual yeah approach, just to kind of make sure. So anyway, all will be well, but in case you know, in case you were curious, that is what's going on behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_00:

Baby steps, baby steps to the altar. That's right, baby steps to the elevator.

SPEAKER_01:

But I will say that did that movie. Oh no. No, no, what is that?

SPEAKER_00:

What about Bob?

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Oh, well, gosh, you quoted that again the other day.

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Great, great.

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It's been a few years since I've seen that one.

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Uh I'm a sailor. I sailed. I'm a sailor. Okay, go ahead. Sorry, I'm done.

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You can keep going if you want. The other thing is we had planned after Christmas to go to Disney World, and we're gonna obviously push that trip back because I mean that you absolutely can. And that was the other kind of really cool thing. We talked about just doing it and maybe using a scooter or a wheelchair, or like I could use the crutches, but anyone that's used crutches, you know, like to try to do Disney with crutches and let me know if you've done it and how it went for you. That's pretty exhausting. I mean, it's it's exhausting just going about your normal life at home, let alone you know how much walking Disney entails.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, and it's funny, uh, we were talking to one of our neighbors, and he was saying that his wife actually I don't know if she broke her foot or whatever. Something similar, yeah. She uh used a scooter in Disney a couple years ago, and she's like, she's like, I loved it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, she was like, it was great. Yeah. So I mean, we we just considered it, but we were like, you know, this is the time that I can just recover. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, and it was funny because they had young daughters at the time too, and she's like, and my daughter, the younger one, loved writing on it with her. So it's like they've got these these memories. So we're like, oh, maybe we'll do it. Yeah. But I think in the end, we're gonna just push it back a little bit.

SPEAKER_01:

So yeah. But that's a bummer because we well, I mean, for many reasons, but uh we were talking in the last episode where we talked about the history of the holidays at the parks, um, which if you have not listened to or watched that episode, please do. That was my that was my little episode that I researched and I loved I I just learned so many just interesting things. Oh, we talked in there about a couple things we were excited to do that in the Christmas season. So we'll have to wait till next year to be able to do like the Christmas tree stroll at the um Disney Springs that they have, like that kind of thing.

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But that's all right.

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Yeah, no big deal. No big deal.

SPEAKER_00:

Also, we like we said in the last episode, we are right in the middle of doing Vlogmas right now. So if you are just if you just finish this episode and you're just like, gosh, I just I just need more, which I'm sure is just no one has ever said that. But if you do, hop on over to to my channel, Tyler Braun, and you'll see lots more of us every every other day.

SPEAKER_01:

We basically sit and do a mini podcast at the end of each episode, anyway, just about life and everything else.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we take the Seinfeld model and we just do a vlogmas about nothing.

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Yeah, we really do. Anywho, so that's the updates on that. Today, Tyler, this is the you're steering the ship today. What is today's episode about okay?

SPEAKER_00:

So this might be one of, if not the most requested thing we've had consistently asked to have us do an episode on best Disney books. So it was really hard. This was probably the the the most difficult part of this was narrowing things down. So I only brought you're gonna laugh when you see how many I brought.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I only brought maybe two-thirds of what I have. And then I also have a list still of like to be read. So I've still got a lot on my list of things that I want to read eventually. But I think the hardest part here, and I'm just gonna kind of go through them, we're just gonna kind of we'll we'll go through it together. We'll go on this journey together.

SPEAKER_02:

That's right.

SPEAKER_00:

But I think the hardest part is kind of categorizing them because some are like coffee table books, some are written by Imagineers, some are um, you know, more I don't know. So there's there's there's a lot of different things here. We'll just kind of go through them together. Yeah. But I think what I'll do is if you once I get it done, I'll have a couple different blog posts on the Disneyville podcast website. So just Disneyville Podcast.com. You can go there, you'll see the different blog posts, and I'll I'll I think I'll be able to better categorize these in that on a blog post. Yeah, yeah. So like I'll have it, I'll have a blog post all about Walt Disney biographies. Because I have I brought one or two to talk about today, because I'm like, I don't think I'll do a full episode of the podcast on Walt Disney biographies. So I'm like, well, I'll mention a couple here that kind of I don't know, you know, maybe your top picks.

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Yeah.

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So look there for more details here. The other thing is, as I was pulling all these out, I was like, I'm gonna ask for a little patience because looking through these and looking through like good reads and stuff, some of these are I read over 10 years ago. So we're gonna go through them here, but just give me a little patience as I try to remember everything. A little grace, maybe a little grace, yeah. So we'll start going through them here. I kind of I have them a little bit categorized, but we'll just go through them here.

SPEAKER_01:

So I should say too that I go ahead and you go ahead and get your books while you're well you're prepping. I've read some of these. I read the more fun ones, you know, like the ones pictures and color. I'm reading my other just other books. But um, so I have some thoughts on some of these too, for sure. Absolutely. But yeah, you definitely have dived deeper into the like oh yeah. Did you grab the one off my bookshelf that I've read like half of good? Because I want to talk about that one. I need to finish that one.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, we'll talk about that one. I have some, I would say this is a salute to all Disney parks, but mostly Walt Disney World. And by that I mean it's Disney World and Disneyland. No other parks are mentioned. So, speaking of older books, right out of the gate, I I actually I probably should look. I I would guess these came out in 2010 or or or earlier.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

That said, these books that I'm about to show you were some of the very first Disney books I ever bought. They still hold up pretty well. I was I was flipping through them last night, and they're really fun. There might be an update of the video. So here, let me show these here first. Okay. So it was these imagineering field guides. And I don't know if there's an updated version of these. I should probably look and see.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm on the case.

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These were one of the very first when I first started getting into Disney, like looking deeper into Disney than just okay, where is this ride located? You know, looking into the history. These were written by the Imagineers. They have one for each park. And obviously, some of them are a little outdated now because some of the rides are gone. Some of the, you know, literally the cover of the Hollywood Studios one here is of the hat. But the way they were all laid out, you know, the Imagineers sort of wrote out what the backstory of everything was, and then they show concept art. They show the like building layouts, they show quick takes. So, like, here's like Phantasmic right now. So it talks about the big finale, it talks about a whole story here about all about Phantasmic, and then their quick takes are always fun. So, like, there are 46 cat 46 cast members who use 78 costumes for each show. The moat around the stage holds 1.9 million gallons of water. The dragon is 50 feet tall with a 50-foot wingspan. The steamboat is 80 feet long and weighs 70,000 pounds. So, I mean, each and every page is more fun than the last.

SPEAKER_01:

So, well, okay, I want to stop you right there and have an important discussion. Uh wow, this one looks like nice and yellowed. So, for a couple things. One, I did look it up. I can't find a definitive answer, but it seems as though these original ones, like Magic Kingdom, came out in 2005, 2006, etc. The newest one is California Adventure in 2014. Okay. And it looks like maybe they updated Hollywood Studios, or maybe it just didn't come out until 2010. So the other thing I want to mention is I think you have to, if you've never read a read a Disney Parks book, but you're like getting into like, I'm kind of interested in the history and I'm interested in what the Imagineers were thinking, you know, all of that kind of stuff. I think some books are better than others when it comes to if you're someone that everything you just read, snooze. Anything with numbers like that where we're talking about like the amount of feet or how much something weighs, I'm like, I literally could not care less. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, for my my fellow nerds out there, and I know you're out there because I've talked to you.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You have to know yourself and what you're interested in.

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That's just what that is just a quick fact.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, that's what I'm saying. So as you scrim, scrim, what? Skim through these. Yeah, most of this is not that, is what I was trying to say. Like, if you're like me and you're not into numbers, I think this book is actually quite any of these books are quite interesting, but you'd have to find them like used on the code. Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. But I mean, like, so even like Men and Bill's Dockside Diner, like pretty much you they're every everywhere you can walk through the parks. There's a little backstory about it. There, it's just so fun. And there's a bunch of little things that are hidden that you might not even realize. But I just think that it's these are so cool because they're actually written by the imagineers. Yeah. So I mean, it literally says at the bottom, by the imagineers. So that is these are these are the authoritative text that this is not somebody.

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They were like, we don't need to update it because we know what we did. This is what we did.

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This is not somebody that is really cool.

SPEAKER_01:

The more you think about it. Yeah, walking around with pictures. If you're watching the video version, um, here's the other thing. If you are super into Disney history, one of the coolest things you can do is buy an old like burn bombs guidebook or whatever. Like find the oldest year. Okay. But I'm just saying those kinds of things where you can, and oh, that's right. We do have a few. Okay, I'll be quiet. We'll talk about it again.

SPEAKER_00:

We can go into that right now. How about that?

SPEAKER_01:

Right now, we are out of half and half, and I am drinking this coffee black. And listen, it is going straight to my bloodstream.

SPEAKER_00:

So, on that vein, I was gonna say, when it comes to actual guidebooks, in my humble opinion, there's only one answer. I do not like the unofficial guides. They are black and white. I don't, I'm not a fan.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm so in today's day and age, like, you know, you're just gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00:

I like I am I I am a big fan of the physical guidebook. I like to have a guidebook in my hands. Every time we travel anywhere, I buy physical guidebooks. I like to think I'm a bit of an expert on them.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I actually you have tried them all.

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When it comes to Disney and Disney World and Disneyland, the burn bombs guides are the best. So here you can see here I've got one Disney World and Disneyland one this 2023 for the Disney World and then Disneyland 2025 here. These are you've owned a lot of the different games.

SPEAKER_01:

We have we have almost gosh, the Disney World one has gotten thick.

SPEAKER_00:

But I mean, they are so well done. The they're full, full color. They've got so many great um details as far as like everything inside the parks, outside the parks. They've got trends, schedules that you can try and follow, especially if this is your first time going. Um, everything about parks. Um sorry, is it about water parks, hotels outside the parks, inside the parks, um restaurants.

SPEAKER_01:

It it it this is amazing, and it's very visually pleasing. Anytime we have someone we know that's going to Disney for the first time and we're like close to them, we usually buy this book and have it sent to their house. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00:

That's it.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, because it is it is that helpful and it's fun to look at. It gets the kids excited, they can look through it.

SPEAKER_00:

And there's even spots in the back where you can like write notes and stuff like that. Um, sometimes they even have like coupons and stuff like that. For I mean Paradise of 37, Raglin Road 20% off lunch. I mean, they've got interesting yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Um anyway, so these Oh, it's like those old school coupon books.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah. So if you are buying a physical guidebook, the burn bombs ones, I'm a huge fan of. Uh speaking of which, really fast, quick side note here. If you are not watching this but listening to it, be sure to go to the blog because I'm literally showing all these as we're talking here. And so I will have all these linked.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you can see the exact ones, especially as we get deeper in into more specific things like burn bombs guides, you'd be able to find quickly. Exactly. But some of the ones that we love we're gonna talk about, we'll have linked in the blog post. So again, go to welcome to disneyville.com. You'll find it there.

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But it's kind of an all-in-one place, and I feel like so many times when somebody's going for the first time, they are kind of all over the place. They're looking at different websites, they don't really know where to go. This is kind of an all-in-one, all-encompassing guide.

SPEAKER_01:

It's fun to look at on the airplane ride or the car ride to Disney too. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00:

Now, here's the fun part. So we have an embarrassing amount of these going back to 1988. We have almost every single year of Walt Disney World going back to 1988. And this is just a fun one, I just thought I would show you. If you ever see these at a Goodwill or at a garage sale or something like that, grab it. It's a piece of history. They are so fun to look through. Just looking through it, it's even like you know, things that are coming soon.

SPEAKER_01:

Like stuff that's like already gone again.

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Anyway, they're very, very fun. I just have been eight, but they have been the kind of go-to guide for so many years. That's why I think part of the reason they're so good. But anyway.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my gosh, you guys. Yeah, there's an ad for the Hootie-doo review.

SPEAKER_00:

That's but there are a lot of people who like the unofficial guide. So if that's your if that's your go-to, that's it. But I I like a full color guide, and I just feel like these are so well done.

SPEAKER_01:

What was cut out of this?

SPEAKER_00:

Some kind of coupon.

SPEAKER_01:

It looks no, that's what I thought, but I'm like, maybe it was a picture of Mickey or something.

SPEAKER_00:

What's on the other side? No? Yeah, it was definitely that side. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Where to buy rain ponches? That's always been a problem. Anyway, it's just this is incredible. But yeah, especially if you're like us and you geek out about like history stuff that, yeah. Oh my gosh, coming soon, pleasure island. And then you can read, like, you can find information in here that you have to do. It's very hard to find online, but yeah. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_00:

Anyway, so those are just kind of fun when it comes to actual guidebooks. Those are those are my go-tos.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my gosh, I could look at this all day. Get it away from me. I won't be paying attention the rest of the episode.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, this one's a very, very quick one. So a lot of people are really into hidden Mickeys. So there are these hidden Mickey guidebooks here, the field guide to Walt Disney World's best kept secrets. This is the fourth edition. There might be newer ones out right now. We never super duper got into the hidden Mickeys. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I think I feel like we were kind of into them early on. That's right. And every once in a while, we'll be like, hey kids, look, I know you because we just remember we're surrounded by the city. That's exactly it.

SPEAKER_00:

But what's funny is when I was flipping through this one last night, I thought, I'm like, honestly, the girls are at a good age now. I could see us starting to get into it now. So like I said, this is the fourth edition. We've had this for probably eight or ten years. So they've probably one, yeah. So you can get um you can kind of keep track of how many points you have.

SPEAKER_01:

And once you get to a certain amount of points, you can get a churro or a drink you get to pick.

SPEAKER_00:

But anyway, so instead of just telling you where they are, I think it's fun that they kind of give you hints. Um, and so like here, so like the American Adventure Show. Uh oh, wait, no, that one doesn't give you points. So maybe only some of them give you points.

SPEAKER_01:

And the points don't matter. But yeah, think about if you've got like the I was gonna say middle-aged kids, but you know what I mean. Not like little littles, but not oh no, teenagers are like this too. But you know what I mean, that age where it would the parks are already fun, but if it's maybe a park that you know they're not as excited to go, I don't know, it's Disney. I feel like they're gonna be excited about them. Yeah, but something additional to do, or maybe you just go all the time and you're wanting something to like kind of yeah, exactly. Super fun.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so like here, Animal Kingdom Lodge Resort, 111 points total you can get. Or if you're doing like a resort day, you know, this is something you kind of go around and do. So like clue four, inside the main lobby spot, a classic Mickey on a chandelier, three points. Clue five, check the logs, uh, banded to wood support around the main lobby. Find any classic Mickeys, two points. Anyway, so so it's just kind of a fun little scavenger hunt way to get around Disney World. So there you go. That's kind of a fun little one. Going back a little old school again here, too. So we have the Walt Disney World trivia book by Lou Mangello. This was there's always room for Mangello, as our friends used to say. There's uh he made these trivia books. There's volume one and volume two. Again, there might be some newer ones out now, but these were so fun. These are ones I remember reading on the airplane to Disney World many, many years ago.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh, I remember many times we'd just be in the car and you'd be driving just anywhere and we would do trivia.

SPEAKER_00:

So I feel like I have to say, early on, I learned so much about Disney World from these. Because, you know, you're reading these trivia things, and if I didn't know the answer, you know, you're getting the answers from the answer key. This was a very, very good learning resource early on for us. Yeah. That I kind of took for granted at the time. So anyway, the and they're just they're just fun. They're a fun way to do it with your family, they're a fun way to, you know, in in the in the car, like Jessica said, on the airplane. And the way that they're done, you flip back and forth to the answer. So if you can even read them by yourself to, you know, go back to the code. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

It's it's so funny. And there's pictures and did you know? And these are really well laid out. So I'm I'm betting here. The we have volume one and two. I'm betting. There might be more now.

SPEAKER_00:

So that's just yeah, very, very fun. So this one you need to pay attention to because this one might be the number one one I would recommend for the listeners of the Disneyville podcast.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, 100%. This is the one, you guys.

SPEAKER_00:

If you are interested in Walt Disney World, which I would guess you are because you're listening to this, I would recommend reading The Hidden Magic of Walt Disney World by Susan Vanessa. This is the third edition now. I'm pretty sure this is the newest one out. This is so, so well done. It is just literally a walk through the parks. It starts in Magic Kingdom and goes through all four parks. I think it even goes into Disney Springs, but she just kind of walks you through all these different parks, gives you the backstory on a bunch of different things. This is one you're going to learn. Even the most seasoned Disney person is probably going to learn so much from this book. And then she also has a companion trivia as well. Well, hidden magic of Walt Disney World trivia.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm sorry, I'm finding myself reading. They have like, I want to read you a part of this just to kind of give you an example of why this is just so great. Random specific example, Canada. Okay. In Epcot. Arriving at the final pavilion on our clockwise tour, two distinct styles become obvious. Eastern Canada is represented by the brick structures, while wood was the building material of choice in Western Canada. The history of Canada from the early European trappers to the 19th century Victorian influence blends seamlessly, while the impressive butchart, okay, inspired sunken garden brings the grace and beauty to the otherwise rough terrain of the Canadian Rocky Mountains. Then it talks about the Canadian hotels. That wasn't even the most interesting example I'm realizing, but it's just it's written as if you are literally taking a tour. And I think that's what makes this so great. Oh, I loved reading this.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm gonna read it again. I know. And it's it's one of those things that you probably could read it a few times and you would probably remember different things each time. So for you or for the Disney lover in your life, this is a great one. Now that said, I have another one here that I'm gonna tell you about. This one, start there. Start here. If you wanna get really weird with it, because okay, so again, people people send me direct messages on. The time asking for book recommendations. I usually recommend that one, and then I recommend anything that has ever been written by Jim Corkus. He has written so many amazing books. I feel like I this man has forgotten more about Disney than I will ever know. He has literally his books are so good. So he's got Secret Stories of Walt Disney World, more secret stories of Walt Disney World, other secret stories of Walt Disney World. He's got ones about I thought I brought up, maybe I didn't. He's got one about the Walt Disney World Resort Hotels. He's got, I mean, there, he's got tons and tons and tons. He also has books about the movie studio. He's got all kinds, but they are fascinating. And uh this might be the like the definitive book series for Disney Park lovers. So I would say these are the ones that I would recommend just as much as the one by Susan Vanessa. Like these that are.

SPEAKER_01:

I feel like Susan Vanesse is you start there because it's such a great, like you're digging in and you're learning a bunch. These go in a little deeper.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, like that's 101, this is 102.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yes. That's the perfect. And I love Omni.

SPEAKER_00:

But these are so well done. All the books in this series. He also writes a bunch online. So if you're ever looking at anything, Jim Corcus, he used to work for the company too. I think he used to work in the archives. And he did anyway, very, very, very good. Recommend all of them, anything that he writes. All right, I've got another uh a couple other quick ones here. Um, so this is a fun one here. The Walt Disney World that never was. It literally basically talks about things that projects that were started that never actually ended up coming to fruition. It's just kind of interesting stories that they you so literally called stories behind the amazing imagine dreams that never came true.

SPEAKER_01:

I didn't realize we had this.

SPEAKER_00:

So it's this would have been helpful when you were talking about like the resort hotels, like things like that that they started to do, or say like ideas in their blue sky sessions that never actually came, uh came true. This guy, this uh Aaron Wallace here, this is called The Thinking Fans Guide to Walt Disney World Epcot. I think he also has Magic Kingdom out, but I don't I don't know if he has anything else out besides that. But these are great books. Um I've read this one, I have not read Magic Kingdom though, but I think, like I said, he might have some more out now. But it's just kind of it's a very similar thing where he kind of goes through and like talks about the deeper meaning behind some history behind the the imaginary decisions that they've made, like what goes into why the imaginaries do what they did. So it literally says, learn to slow down and savor the world's boldest theme park. It says it's a lighthearted but scholarly tour through every ride and show in Epcot.

SPEAKER_01:

So, anyway, just a very fun little uh also just to go back to the Walt Disney World that never was, I was just flipping through it. Yeah, there's a whole chapter on the lost resorts and multiple pages about the three resorts we talked about in the episode, which again, if you're interested, one of my favorite episodes we've done is where we talked about the Asian resort, the Persian resort, and the Venetian resort. So cool that were going to be near the Magic Kingdom. Fascinating plans. We've got concept art, like all of that. So we'll link that uh episode below if you're watching the video version because that one was really fun. And we had a lot of um it's just it it colors the way you look at the parks today. It really does.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, especially that area.

SPEAKER_01:

Just the way it's doing it not think about it.

SPEAKER_00:

The way it is developed and the way it could have been developed. And I gosh, I want them to do the Venetians so badly. Oh my gosh. Now, this one actually I'll let you talk about because you have read this one. I have not.

SPEAKER_01:

You see all my little, if you're watching the um, I have little like marks, uh bookmarks in it. I loved this one. So this was Walt Disney World Hidden History by Kevin Yee. Again, a lot of these books I feel like were just like self-printed or self-published. Oh no, Ultimate Orlando Press. There we go. But it's remnants of former attractions and other tributes. Come on, you guys. Remnants of former attractions. That is everything I'm into. And so I want to read this book again, but it's got pictures of the remnants, where you can see them. And obviously, as time has changed, I don't know if they've updated this or not. This was printed in 2010. So I'm betting some things have changed, but fascinating if you are into like defunct Disney, this will be your number one. You will love it.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm pretty sure I went through and I looked at the ones that you flagged, but I have not read it.

SPEAKER_01:

I was flagging them. I remember reading it when I was in my teaching days, and I would flag ones I couldn't wait to show you. Yeah, let's see what one of my flags is. Oh, well, Tyler's favorite thing, the Ryan River cruise, where you can, it was meant to be right behind the wall you see going in. That's funny. Oh, this is fun. Presidents on Spaceship Earth. Numerous audio animatronics figures in Spaceship Earth are actually duplicates of US presidents used elsewhere in Walt Disney World. So sometimes they would borrow the characters or faces from different things. Because Spaceship Earth called for so many audio animatronics, it was uh easier to make use of the molds they already had for like the Hall of Presidents.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So Teddy Roosevelt is used twice, once as an Egyptian priest and again as a Roman senator. Franklin Pierce and John Tyler are Islamic scholars. James Buchanan is Gutenberg, Dwight Eisenhower plays the loot, and Ulysses S. Grant is a sculptor.

SPEAKER_00:

So fun. Yeah, we talked a little bit about that. I there's some of those I didn't know though.

SPEAKER_01:

I know. I just I forgot about that. So yeah, that that's the kind of content you can get in this book. Love this Hidden History.

SPEAKER_00:

By Kevin Yee. Okay, I'm gonna very, very quickly talk a little bit about the Disney company and the Imagineers, just very briefly. So there's a bunch of books by Marty Scalar.

SPEAKER_01:

Dream it, do it!

SPEAKER_00:

Dream it, do it! Very, very good books. He's got uh One Little Spark, he's got Dream It Do It. He's got several, several books. Marty Scalar is uh an absolute blast. So anything you can find by Marty Scalar is definitely worth reading. This one is anyway, I'm not even gonna go into it. Highly, highly recommend. Then this one I just finished reading. This is called, well, I guess I should I finished it last, I think, December. So it's called Walt's Apprentice. It's by Dick Nunes, and actually I finished it, and I think the day I finished it is the day he passed away. Isn't that wild? Um, but it talks about opening Disneyland and where the how he worked through the parks basically his entire life. And anyway, it was a very, very interesting book. So very, very parks heavy versus you know, other things like you know, other things that Marty Scolar did was outside of the parks, yeah. Yeah, but I mean he worked with Walt Disney a lot, but this was more, I would say, parks focused, I guess. I don't know. Anyway, definitely worth reading. There are so many books, especially recently, and I'll read a little list here of books that have come out by the Imagineers recently, and I have a bunch on my to be read list that look so interesting. So we'll talk about those in a minute, but those are two that are very, very highly recommended.

SPEAKER_01:

It's cool to see the photos in the middle of the book of like him with Walt and him in those early days in Disneyland and all of that. That's really neat.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, and this is one where I was like, okay, I didn't want to talk too much about the Disney company itself. I wanted this to kind of focus on the parks because I'm like, do I talk about like Rite of a Lifetime by Bob Iger? Do I talk about you know books about Pixar? Do I talk about anyway? I was like, we gotta kind of focus on the parks. That said, I have one here that I'm gonna recommend.

SPEAKER_01:

He has not stopped talking about it.

SPEAKER_00:

I haven't stopped talking. This came out a while ago, but I finally read it. If you are a Disney fan, you need to read this and you need to read it before Bob Iger goes away, because what has happened in the last few years, I have a feeling is gonna be another like Disney War 2.0.

SPEAKER_02:

Because it it anyway.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm not gonna go super into it because this is really about the parks, but he does talk about the parks quite a bit, but it's a lot about the movie studio and everything that went on behind the scenes at the company. But this, if you are a Disney fan, you need to read.

SPEAKER_01:

It's called Disney War.

SPEAKER_00:

I'm sorry, yes, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Disney War by James B. Stewart. I apologize. I was enthralled the whole time. I just read another book called Bad Blood, which is all about the Elizabeth Holmes thing. Wild if you're not sure. If you know anything about that, read that, yeah. It was very similar, kind of a similar vein, where just all about kind of the back end of a company, the things that you don't really see. I mean, that was a million times worse. Like she was insane. Yeah. But anyway, just kind of the behind-the-scenes stuff that you don't really see on a day-to-day basis, but it was utterly fascinating. Highly, highly recommend to any Disney fan. This is the Imagineering Story by Leslie. I worked. It is a beast of a book. Holy moly. It is the companion book to the Imagineering Story series they did on Disney Plus. So if you've watched that and you enjoyed it and you want more, this is the book that you read. I will say it is very similar to that series. It just delves in a little bit deeper. So if you want more, this is worth the read. But there's not a ton more, I don't feel like, that you're not getting in the in the series. So I don't know. If you if you want to get it, or if you want to form the dendrites so you remember things better, or if you want to whatever. It there's definitely more in here, but it's not like, oh, this is completely new information for a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, especially for that big of a book. Man, it's a nice compendium for the uh show. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, agreed.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, baby, can I talk about this one?

SPEAKER_00:

I'm gonna say, yeah, we're gonna talk about Disneyland here really quickly. So here, this is the first, this is the first one here. So Walt's Disneyland, a walk in the park with Walt Disney. We've talked about this a lot recently, Jessica.

unknown:

So good.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, here's the thing. I don't think you need to have ever been to Disneyland or to ever plan to go to Disneyland. You can be a totally Disney World only person and eat this book up. It is heavily, heavy on the images, in cut many of them in color. Um, it's it's not as much reading. It's, I mean, there's definitely like a plenty to read, but it's a lot of pictures with captions as it kind of tells the story through the pages. It is a beautiful book. It is a fascinating book. Even Genevieve, our seven-year-old, I was showing her something. She's like, whoa. And so then when we would go ride like certain rides, even if they're in Disney World, like it changes her perspective too. So I just think this is so well done, and I love this so much. And it's such a fun thing to read because it is full color, glossy paged, you know, not super long.

SPEAKER_00:

But yeah, Marcy Caracer's Mothers is the one who who wrote this. And this was we I read it before we went to Disneyland this last time, and I think uh it made that trip ten times more special. Straight up magical because I because of reading this book. So I if you have a trip on the books, and even if you don't, uh this is highly, highly, highly recommended. Yeah. Okay, this is the other one. This is the one I said.

SPEAKER_01:

Did you get it from my bookshelf?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, this is called Disney's Land by Richard Snow. This one I feel like is a great book because it's it's partially a biography on Walt, partially all about Disneyland. I absolutely loved this book. You were about halfway through it right now.

SPEAKER_01:

No, I'm looking, maybe a third.

SPEAKER_00:

A third of the way through it. It's just it's a it's a beautiful book. I'm loving it. It's it's it was very, very well done. I just think that it kind of this is the one I read before we went to Disneyland last time. And again, it kind of colored my whole view of Disneyland differently because of because of reading this book. But I think if you have never read a biography on Walt Disney, this is a great place to start because you can learn so much about him through this book. But I mean, it talks about the creation of all the different rides, Autopia, and it kind of gives you a backstory from the Imagineer's perspective.

SPEAKER_01:

And anyway, it was also just where, yeah, certain things that I have never heard about where he got ideas for certain things, like um going to the Ford Museum or whatever in Detroit or outside of Detroit, and like things like that that I'm like, whoa. And that's not far from us, so it's like it feels really cool. So, way more of like the actual what was going on in the world and in his life at the times he was thinking up these things and why he would have where he basically got the inspo far beyond the things that I think most people know. So that one is a great companion to the glossy paged one I talked about. I feel like those. So I'm excited to finish this one. This one also has some pictures there in the middle, too.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and I feel like this is a good one. If you read this one first and you can look at the other one, you get pictures of a lot of the things they talk about in here. And then watch the imagineering story and you can see video of the things they talk about in here.

SPEAKER_01:

And I will say, Disney's Land, that one there by Richard Snow, I feel like even though I'm only a third of the way through, it has been interesting from the beginning. It's not, it's not written really dryly. You know what I mean? It is an interesting book.

SPEAKER_00:

So Yeah, I would agree.

SPEAKER_01:

And I'm pretty picky. Like you read a lot of dry things, and I'm like, no, I'll I'll read one page. I'm like, no, it's not my speech. This one's really good.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, so speaking of how that is a little bit of a Walt Disney biography, that kind of leads me into the next thing here. So I there are so, so many biographies about Walt Disney. So I only brought a couple here just to very quickly touch on these, because that's another question I get all the time. So I would say if you read one biography, it should be this one here. It's Walt Disney, an American original by Bob Thomas. They just came out with a 100th anniversary, 100th commemorative edition. This book, first, so it has been out for a long time. It came out basically, I think, right after Walt passed away, within within a decade of him passing away, maybe even sooner. It is a I that I sat on this for years and years and years. This book sat on my shelf, and I never read it because I was like, I get it. You know, I know I but anyway, if you read one biography, it should be this one. I'm so sad it took me so long to read this. And this new edition has stuff at the beginning and end that kind of colors what a big deal this book was. And actually, even uh Marcy Caracer Smothers, the one who wrote Disney uh uh Walk Through the Park with Disney there, uh, she is in this book. There's anyway, so there's several, it is just a beautifully written book, and it's not so incredibly thick and heavy. It was just it's it's so well done. There's some great pictures in it too. So highly recommend. They even talk about how like most imagineers for decades now have had this book on their shelf. Like this is this is the premier be yeah, this is the book about Walt Disney. So if you're looking for a gift for somebody in your life, get this one, get the hundredth anniversary. It's a beautifully done book.

SPEAKER_01:

Can I share something interesting I learned about Walt Disney in the other book that I feel is so poignant but also really important into knowing why he would have developed all the things that he ended up developing. I learned that his dad didn't really believe that kids should have toys and play, they should be serious. And Walt really did not have a proper childhood. And one of the places they lived, they had like animals, like horses, I think, nearby. I don't know if they were theirs or nearby, whatever it was. And he loved to be near the animals, and that was kind of a place he could kind of play and be more imaginative and be a kid. And then they eventually moved away from that and he started a paper route. So he was kind of forced to be maybe older than he was, you know, whatever. It's no wonder when you think about that, that he never really had a proper childhood and he yearned to be able to play and imagine and all of that, and then also that he loved animals. Think about everything he created. He devoted his entire life to things for children.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Children. And it kind of made me teary when I was reading it. It's making me teary even saying it now. I'm like, that simple fact colors everything. I mean, that affected the rest of his life, his entire legacy. And it's so beautiful because he has created so much that we all enjoyed as kids. We enjoy as adults. It gives us license to act like kids. Our own kids maybe enjoy it like what a beautiful, I mean, truly a beautiful legacy, but anyway, okay.

SPEAKER_00:

It's a beautiful gift that he gave other adults. And there was actually a quote in that book by it was some newscaster that said it and it kind of covers that. Basically, he said, Walt Disney understood that there's not a lot of grown-up in every child, but there's a lot of child in every grown-up. Something to that effect. And I'm like, that is that's that's what Walt Disney understood, and that's why he the parks are so amazing, because every grown-up, you know.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, no, that's that it's perfectly said.

SPEAKER_00:

Anyway, I think that was in his um point. Not obituary, but anyway. Um, okay, so if you have read that and you're looking for more, you want a deeper dive.

SPEAKER_01:

How deep do you want to go?

SPEAKER_00:

This is the one I would recommend. This is called Walt Disney, The Triumph of the American Imagination by Neil Gabler. This one, I actually read this one first, and this one I used to be the one I recommended. I actually think the other one's a little bit better. This one is a deeper dive, I want to say, but it's a little bit more analytical. It's a little bit more dry, it's a little bit more just details, I want to say. The other one is a more story-driven. This one is a little bit just dry. Okay. But it's also interesting. Like, I mean, I read this one twice. I still liked it. So if you like big, heavy, if you like big books and you cannot lie, like this is more like what I feel like a lot of the books I read about presidents are written more like this. Well, it depends on what you like. Exactly. So, but this one, yeah. Uh both both are good. Both good. Okay, and then one more here on Walt Disney. So this is called Inside the Dream, the Personal Story of Walt Disney by Catherine and Richard Green. So they did a PBS documentary 10 or 15 years ago, I want to say. And it was it was this documentary here. This is the book companion.

SPEAKER_01:

Is it like a coffee table book?

SPEAKER_00:

It's a coffee table book, yeah. So it is one of my all-time favorite books on Disney. It has so many amazing uh photographs and stories, and I mean, it's just so beautifully done. So it if you if if you have not seen that PBS documentary, by the way, I mean Diane Disney Miller's in it. They interview so many Imagineers, they talk to so many people. So if you can find that inside the uh what is it? Yeah, inside the dream documentary on PBS, highly, highly recommend it. We watched it a couple times, but anyway, this is sort of a great companion to those biographies. Just so many beautiful photos of different things, you know, throughout his lifetime and all that. So love it. Absolutely love this one. And that kind of leads me to my last little stack here, which is my stack of favorite coffee table books.

SPEAKER_01:

I did not know you had more than what you just showed. So I'm like I'm almost done. I'm sitting over here astounded because I can't see your stacks beside your chair. I'm almost done. Okay. Oh, yeah. Some of these I'm remembering now.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, Jessica's telling me I have to hurry up. So I'm No, I said speed round. I'm gonna quickly go through some of these here. All right, so the first two here, I'll just show you here. These books are just a lot of fun. So, like this one's Walt Disney World. This one, this uh, I'm not even sure if these even have authors. I think they were they were released by the company, but it yeah, it just says by the Walt Disney Company. These are really fun, these old coffee table books here.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, what year was this printed?

SPEAKER_00:

That one, I'm actually looking and see if you can find a year on this one. This next one here was written in 1998. This one here is the Walt Disney World Resort, a magical year-by-year journey, 1998 edition.

SPEAKER_01:

One of the best books we own, guys. Period.

SPEAKER_00:

It's so fun because you go through and it's got all these old pictures of the resorts. And some of them are, I mean, these are just quick reads. You just open up a page in any of these, it's fun to see what is still there, what's not there anymore. Sorry, I guess I'm not showing it very well here. But it just is kind of written like an old school textbook in some ways. It's just got pictures and captions and so many things that are not there anymore are just fun to see.

SPEAKER_01:

Um, yeah, well, same goes for this one I'm holding. I can't find a year, but it's showing, for example, the contemporary resort and pictures. We were looking online and could barely find pictures. Look.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

The top of the top of the world supper club, where they've got like the live band, it's not there anymore. Hard to find pictures of that. They have pictures of all of these things full color in here. So these kinds of books, yeah, I agree that it's just such a fun literal slice of history from that time versus someone writing about it 30 years later and talking about it.

SPEAKER_00:

These were like the books, yeah, which is so cool. So, speaking of which, this one here is called Since the World Began, Walt Disney World the Four the First 25 Years, text by Jeff Curdy. So, this one here is one that I read before our trip last year, I want to say. And I thought, like, oh, it'll be fun to just kind of read through whatever. I learned so much from this book. This is the one I think I've talked about in the past where I'm like, it talks in detail about like how they drained Seven Seas Lagoon, how they you know, again, this information is not necessarily readily available online. But some of these older pictures are also just so fun. So I'm like, I really didn't expect to learn much, but also it talks about like some of the original plans for. The world showcase, like what they were originally gonna, how they were all gonna be the same size and shape, and this, that, and the other. I mean, so I I still ended up learning so much from this that I really didn't think, but then all the yeah, all the things that are coming up soon. And anyway. So love these older books. If you ever find them, again, Goodwill, you can find them online. You can find them at garage sales whatever.

SPEAKER_01:

But you can find them on thriftbooks.com.

SPEAKER_00:

Thriftbooks. That's where, yeah, I think actually I bought some of these on thriftbooks.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think so. Also, it would make an amazing gift for a Disney lover in your life. Like maybe you and your spouse are Disney lover, finding just an old book online in order because again, it is just a treasure truck.

SPEAKER_00:

Flipping through these books in the evenings. I feel like every other page will be like, Jessica, you gotta see this picture. Yeah. Okay, this is a great one here. Walt Disney Imagineering. There are, again, I can't even begin to describe some of these amazing pictures in here. I mean, it just goes through each and every This one's written also by the Imagineers.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm seeing that literally a forward by Robert Iger. Ever heard of it?

SPEAKER_00:

Just a beautiful book here. I mean, huge coffee table book. I mean, I'm just gonna kind of show you there. Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Again, I feel bad for those listening. This is not the most ideal listening one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, there's nothing I can do about that there. Sorry. I'm trying to paint a word picture in my best best I can. Okay. So then uh Tashin. I actually I have a lot of their books. I should probably know how to pronounce their.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you should look it up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Anyway, I actually got this at Costco a couple years ago. They still sell it on their website. I was actually just on their website.

SPEAKER_01:

Take a peek at this one.

SPEAKER_00:

This one is beautiful. It's called Disneyland. It comes in this very nice case here. And it goes through, again, it's just a coffee table book, all about Disneyland. This is the one I did not read this one before our last trip to Disneyland. I figure I'll save this one until our next trip, but just kind of flipping through. You get concept art, you get old pictures, you get it's just beautiful. I love these Tashion books. I have quite a few of them of different cities, of different, um, different things, art, museums. They just they're always so well done, I feel like.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so cool. That is a beautiful book.

SPEAKER_00:

All right, this is a fun one they used to sell in the parks. They might still sell this in the parks. I haven't I feel like I haven't seen it in a while, though. This is just called Maps of the Disney Parks, charting 60 years from California to Shanghai. Texts by Kevin and Susan Neary, and then maps curated by Vanessa Hunt. So the one thing I remember hating about this book, though, it's kind of a fun thing, I guess, is the way that it opens. It opens in the middle, and I remember every night when I was in the duplex book. Like every night when I was in bed reading this book, I'm like, I hate the women. But anyway, it's got a bunch of different old maps, and it's fun to kind of see how things have changed throughout the decades.

SPEAKER_01:

So it just looks very cool to see you guys.

SPEAKER_00:

Epcot Center, you just kind of go through, it's got a bunch of text written in too, but just going through and looking at the way things have moved throughout the years, and you can kind of look and see, like, oh, now I understand that's where that is.

SPEAKER_01:

And you know or that's why something is there because it used to be this.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

It's a very cool, yeah. Again, it would be a great gift for someone that loves Disney. Speaking of great gifts, our merch is still available, baby, if you want our holiday merch. Um, I'm thinking when this one's going live the 17th. Um, I don't know if you ordered the merch the day you're hearing this, if it would be in time for Christmas. I want to be honest there because I don't want someone ordering it and being hopeful and then it not. So I'd rather say it probably wouldn't be, but it would make a great gift, but also just year-round birthdays, etc. We always have our classic Disneyville merch available as well. Yeah. And we also, one of our holiday launches is like blue with like snowflakes. So it would work throughout the winter time. Oh, yeah, absolutely. So definitely check it out. Again, that's on our Welcome to Disneyville site. You will find it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep. Um, okay, so this is my last one here. So this is a portrait of Walt Disney World, 50 years of the most magical place on earth. So obviously, this came out for the 50th anniversary. Uh, and I actually bought this and I was so excited, and I looked through it. I don't, I, I don't think I read this one cover to cover like I've done some of the others, but I did flip through this one and it was it was very, very nice. And I I I did enjoy it a lot.

SPEAKER_01:

Was this one we saw?

SPEAKER_00:

I think I saw it in the parks, and then I ended up buying it. Is that what it was?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, because we were like, oh, we're not flying home with that heavy book. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

But what's funny is here we are just a couple years later, and they've come out with basically a very, very similar one that is for both parks. So it's a hundredth anniversary kind of thing, and I'm like, I just bought a giant coffee table book from you guys. Do I get another one? But anyway, so it's again very, very cool, unique photos. That photos that I've never seen before, which is very cool. Things that are like different unique views, aerial views, things like that. So lots of uh lots of great stories there.

SPEAKER_01:

I think the moral of today's story is that if you like Disney, you could read Disney books every single day, and you will never run out of content. I mean, they there's just so much out there, and there's so much more out there than what we mentioned, but those are some. I mean, you've read way more than I have, but those are some of our another one.

SPEAKER_00:

I was gonna mention here, I couldn't find I I swear I had this physical book was Project Future. I've talked about it on this podcast before. It talks all about how Disney acquired all the land for Walt Disney World. That was a very interesting one, too. Okay. Well, and that's what's amazing. Literally, what you were just talking about. I'm looking at my to be red list and my Disney list. I've still got like, I mean, 30 plus books. Yeah. I mean, buying it to the Pittsburgh Magic Journey by Kevin Rafferty.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, hey, if you guys have any book recommendations, like maybe there's one that you're like, oh my gosh, I can't believe they haven't read this or haven't mentioned it.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Let us know. You can DM us on Instagram, comment below the YouTube video. You know, there's lots of different ways to get through to us. But yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

There are books just about Haunted Mansion. There's one here The Disney monorail, Imagineering a Highway in the Sky by Jeff Curdy. I mean, there's so many that are still on my list that eventually, eventually maybe I'll buy.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you probably will at this. If your trajectory keeps going, you probably will.

SPEAKER_00:

Anyway, so those are some of my favorites there. Like I said, I'll I'll break them all down on a on a blog as well. But anyway, what's funny, this is probably gonna end up being what a 45-50-minute episode. I told Jessica, I'm like, I don't I don't know if we're gonna be able to, there's gonna be like a 20-minute episode.

SPEAKER_01:

I saw the bags of books he brought here, and I said, I'm pretty sure you'll be all right. I'm pretty sure you'll be able to fill the time, money. Honey. Anyway, well, hey, we're actually about to film our next episode. You'll see in the new year, uh, which will be a really fun dual episode, I will say.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And it's perfect for the start of the year. I think you guys, it's gonna probably be one of my favorites we filmed. So definitely stay tuned for that. Subscribe if you haven't yet. Give us a like on our social media, on Facebook, on can you like someone on the podcast? But uh, well, on that vein, I we haven't read a review in a while. Yeah, I honestly forgot. So wanted to read this one. I don't think we've read this one. Forgive me if we have, but um, it just said, I found my people. This is Bethy1023. I just found you guys about a month ago, and I love this podcast so much. I have subscribed everywhere. Thank you. You're both so knowledgeable and lighthearted and fun. I listen when I need a pick me up or just a Disney fix. I understand that. I just went on my very first Walt Disney World trip last month. It has been a lifelong dream. Oh my gosh. I can't wait to go back. Thank you for sharing your tips, tricks, knowledge, and love of all things Disney. Keep them coming. That is awesome. I am thrilled that you found us, and I'm thrilled that you had a great first trip. Yeah, I can imagine that you want to go back. That's how it goes. Yeah. That's the problem is that you want to go back. Anyway, excellent. We love it.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. Well, thank you guys so much for listening, and we will see you on the next one. Bye, friends.